Area Forecast Discussion
Issued by NWS La Crosse, WI
FXUS63 KARX 210157
Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service La Crosse WI
855 PM CDT Thu Oct 20 2016
Issued at 855 PM CDT Thu Oct 20 2016
Clouds slow to move in from the north while cloud mass over
Wisconsin edging a bit to the east. This is leaving much of the
Mississippi River counties in MN/WI in the clear. Satellite trends
and meso models suggest this could continue well into the
overnight...perhaps not moving in until after 5 am. With good
radiational cooling and light winds...the threat for frost is
increasing in these areas. With that in mind...will add in these
additional river bordering counties to the current Frost Advisory.
Other areas outside of the clouds can also expect patchy to
widespread frost...but have already experienced a killing freeze
and/or frost - so will not include those.
.SHORT TERM...(Tonight thru Friday night)
Issued at 240 PM CDT Thu Oct 20 2016
Main fcst concerns this period: cloud trends and lows/frost/freeze
Data analysis at 18z had a cool ridge of high pressure from western
Ont to the CO/KS border. Vis imagery/sfc obs showing plenty of 3k to
5k ft clouds across portions of the Upper Midwest early this
afternoon, both under and east of the ridge axis. WV imagery
depicted a shortwave dropping southeast near the ND/MN border, aiding
the clouds over much of the NW half of the region. Sunny vs. cloudy
across the region early this afternoon, temperatures were generally
a category or two below normal under N-NW sfc thru mid level flow.
Model runs of 20.12z initialized well. Solutions offer a tight
consensus as the shortwave/trough axis near the MN/ND border passes
this evening, then hgts rise/shortwave ridging builds in later
tonight thru Fri night. Trend favors stronger of the earlier runs
with the ridging as it builds in Fri/Fri night. Short-term fcst
confidence is generally good this cycle but clouds tonight and
their impacts on Sat morning lows remain problematic.
In the short term, plenty of moisture/clouds around 850mb remain
upstream of the area across eastern ND, norhtern MN, southern
Man/western Ont. Models remain consistent that a good share of
this moisture/clouds will advect southeast into the east half
fcst area mainly around/after midnight. Models also bring the warm
advection clouds/moisture over the Dakotas into the west half of
the fcst area after midnight. Any cloud cover after 04-05z tonight
will have a sizable impact on lows, which the model consensus
drops into the upper 20s to mid 30s. Cloud cover later tonight
could easily keep Fri morning lows in the mid 30s to around 40.
Left mention of patchy to areas of frost in the grids for later
tonight/early Sat morning, but confidence remains on the low side
as far as where skies may remain clear enough/long enough to allow
for near/sub freezing temps and any need for frost headlines. Will
defer to evening crew to monitor cloud trends and issue any frost
headlines if needed.
Low level warm advection returns for Fri/Fri night, with 925mb temps
by 12z Sat some 4C to 6C warmer than those at 12z Fri. Weak short-
wave dropping around the perimeter of the building mid level ridging
Fri night drags a weak sfc-850mb trough into the region. Modest
moisture return and weak moisture transport accompanies this feature
but model sounding/x-sections show the column struggles to saturate
for any depth. Left Fri night dry for now but cannot rule out a few
sprinkles at some point from a mid cloud deck. Stayed with a blend
of the guidance lows/highs for tonight thru Fri night.
.LONG TERM...(Saturday through Thursday)
Issued at 240 PM CDT Thu Oct 20 2016
For Sat thru Sun night: main fcst concerns this period is warming
Model runs of 20.12z in good agreement for rising hgts/ridging aloft
to build across the Upper Midwest Sat/Sat night, then a stronger
shortwave to flatten the ridging and pass across Lk Superior later
Sun/Sun night. Fcst confidence is good this period.
Some detail differences with a shortwave to pass across Lk
Superior late Sun/Sun night but consensus keeps the deeper column
saturation and forcing/lift with the wave well north/east of the
fcst area. Thus, a dry fcst continues thru the Sat-Sun night
period. With this wave passing north of the area, lower levels are
dominated by warm advection Sat/Sat night. Warmest 925-850mb
airmass is over the area 12z-18z Sun before the stronger cold
advection at these levels sweeps across the area Sun afternoon/
night. Mixed 925mb temps around 18z Sun support highs in the 60s,
perhaps even 70 in NE IA, (around 10F above normal) before the
cold advection sends temps back to near normal (mid 30s-around 40)
by Mon morning. For now stayed with a blend of the guidance
highs/lows Sat thru Sun night.
For Monday thru Thursday (days 4 to 7): main fcst concerns this
period are SHRA/TSRA chances centered on Tue/Tue night/Wed.
Medium range model runs of 20.00z/20.12z offer good and improving
agreement on ridging aloft over the north-central CONUS Mon into
Tue. Improving agreement for a stronger shortwave to then come out
of the west coast troughing and move into/across the Upper Midwest
later Tue thru Wed, to be followed by noisy quasi-zonal flow Thu.
Confidence is average to good Mon/Tue, trending below average
by Thu as the flow/detail differences increase.
Seasonable high pressure is set to drift across the region Mon.
Deeper, Gulf of Mex moisture already starts to return Mon night as
the high retreats and deeper S/SW flow ahead of low pressure/
falling hgts moving into the plains. The first moisture northward
is progged above 850mb, without CAPE, but enough moisture for a
small SHRA chance from a mid cloud deck by late Mon night and
early Tue. Moisture, with some weak MUCAPE, and forcing/lift
continue to increase Tue into Wed with approach of the sfc low
thru mid level trough. Given improving between model and run-to-
run consistency the past few cycles, precip chances in the 40-70%
range by later Tue night and Wed look good at this time. SHRA
chances then decrease Wed night with passage of the sfc-mid level
trough axis. With lower confidence by Thu, some small consensus
SHRA chances OK for now. Not much of a cold air push progged
behind the Wed system, with temps thru the day 4-7 period trending
near to a few degrees above the normals.
.AVIATION...(For the 00Z TAFS through 00Z Friday evening)
Issued at 600 PM CDT Thu Oct 20 2016
Area of mostly 4 kft cigs across parts of northern mn/wi early this
evening. Some diurnal elements on the mass of clouds evident in
latest vsby satellite - dissipating with the loss of the daytime
heating. Question is when/if these low clouds will make it to the
taf sites. Original thought would be the northern WI clouds would sag
south - which they are, but more southeast with some erosion on the
western edges. This could keep KLSE skc-sct for the better part of
the night. It will be close. For KRST, clouds to west probably won/t
make it until after 06z. All in all, cigs look to be VFR...and
should scatter out by Fri afternoon.
With high pressure shifting west to east across the region late
tonight through Friday, winds will go from light northwest to
perhaps just vrb04kt or southerly toward 00z Sat.
WI...Frost Advisory from 1 AM to 8 AM CDT Friday for WIZ032-033-041-
MN...Frost Advisory from 1 AM to 8 AM CDT Friday for MNZ079-088-096.
IA...Frost Advisory from 1 AM to 8 AM CDT Friday for IAZ011-030.