Area Forecast Discussion
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FXUS61 KOKX 301749

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service New York NY
1249 PM EST Wed Nov 30 2016

A frontal system will impact the region this afternoon into tonight.
High pressure returns for Thursday. A series of weak cold troughs
will pass through the region late week into the beginning of the
weekend. High pressure briefly builds in Saturday Night into
Sunday...then a low pressure system may impact the area Sunday
night into Monday.


Steady rain moves in, possibly heavy at times per meso model
simulated reflectivity. This activity ahead of low level warm
frontal boundary providing lift, and approaching upper level
support. A rumble of thunder is possible later on within any
heavier convection.

Temperatures should remain nearly steady or rise a degree or two
this afternoon. Highs well into the 50s, with near 60 in the New
York metro area. These highs may be a degree or 2 too low if the
warm front lifts north of the area earlier than is forecast.


Influx of warm air and higher dewpoints will allow for isolated
thunderstorms, especially if temperatures today are a bit warmer
than forecast. MUCAPE of just under 1000 J/kg noted in the 06Z
12km NAM over and just south of Long Island, generally from 8 pm
through 11 pm tonight. This coincides with strong lift in
association with the front.

With strong forcing/shear...weak instability...and good
convergence along the cold front...will have to monitor for
organized squall line development late today across
Central/Eastern Pa and if so its eastward progression this
evening. This potential is depicted by several high res
models...with different levels of weakening as it races ahead of
shortwave energy in a weakly unstable environment towards the
coast this evening. If any organized convection can develop and
maintain itself into the region...potential for isolated
strong/severe wind gusts exists.

Precipitable water values of greater than 1.50" expected move
into the area at this time as well. Exact area of axis of heavy
rain still somewhat uncertain, as the better forcing and a line of
convection was noted in the 00Z NAM over inland areas. Current
thinking is that areas inland (Lower Hudson Valley, Northeast New
Jersey, and inland Connecticut) will see the higher rainfall
amounts with enhancement in precipitation due to orography.

Given drought conditions, widespread flooding still looks
unlikely. However, given the recent heavy rains yesterday, some of
the flashier streams in New Jersey may approach bankfull. Again,
do not think this will be widespread, and issuances of Flood
Advisories may cover these later today, with a low chance of
seeing warnings issued for those areas. Main problem will be minor
urban and poor drainage flooding.

Rain tapers off late tonight, and dry conditions return for
Thursday, with continued above normal temperatures.


Models in decent agreement with mean troughing over the region late
week into the start of the the deep closed low over the
Upper Mississippi River Valley lifts ne into southern Ontario/Quebec
through Friday.

Generally dry conditions...seasonably cool...and a bit breezy
conditions expected Thu Night thru Sat in persistent deep WNW flow.
A couple of weak shortwaves/surface troughs moving through the
region may trigger some isolated sprinkles (and or flurries across
nw hills) Fri Aft through Sat.

Generally tranquil and seasonable conditions heading into Sunday as
upper flow flattens or becomes slight ridged...with high pressure
building over the region.

Thereafter...significant divergence in models handling of the late
weekend/early next week eastward evolution of a deep Western US
trough. The main difference is whether the base of the trough
closing off into Northern Mexico this weekend...travels with the
parent northern stream shortwave or gets left behind. The
implication being...a phased eastward moving trough would bring
potential for a southern low and significant precip tracking up the
east coast for Sun Night into early next week. Meanwhile...the
latter detached scenario would just bring another weak trough
through the region with perhaps some light precip. Either scenario
is in play...with SBU ensemble sensitivity pointing at interplay of
western Pacific and northern Pacific shortwave energy over the next
48-60 hrs playing a key role in downstream evolution of this trough
for the late week/weekend. Based on the complex interaction...may
continue to see flip-flop of operation models and considerable
spread in ensembles for this time frame for the next few days.


A warm front moves through early this evening, followed by a cold
front late tonight.

Flight category forecast will vary widely among all area
terminals. Conditions deteriorate through the afternoon with
rain/showers and drizzle impacting all terminals with mostly IFR

Isolated thunder possible right ahead and along the cold front
overnight after 04z.

Light and variable winds become easterly near 10 kt shifting SE-
SW behind warm front early this evening. Gusts 20-25 KT tonight.
Stronger gusts possible in any thunderstorm overnight. Low level
wind shear likely for JFK/LGA and points east starting this

     NY Metro Enhanced Aviation Weather Support...

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KJFK TAF Comments: Deteriorating conditions to IFR likely. Wind
gusts forecast may be off by 1 or 2 hours.

KLGA TAF Comments: Deteriorating conditions to IFR likely. Wind
gusts forecast may be off by 1 or 2 hours.

KEWR TAF Comments: Deteriorating conditions to IFR likely. Wind
gusts forecast may be off by 1 or 2 hours.

The afternoon KEWR haze potential forecast is GREEN...which implies
slant range visibility 7SM or greater outside of cloud.

KTEB TAF Comments: Wind gusts forecast may be off by 1 or 2

KHPN TAF Comments: Tempo 1/2 SM vsbys might not occur. Deteriorating
conditions to IFR likely. Wind gusts forecast may be off by 1 or
2 hours.

KISP TAF Comments: Deteriorating conditions to IFR likely. Wind
gusts forecast may be off by 1 or 2 hours.

.Thursday...VFR. West gusts 20-25 KT.
.Friday...VFR. West gusts around 20 KT.
.Saturday...VFR. NW gusts 20-25 KT.
.Monday...VFR...possibly lower depending on the track of low
pressure to the south.


Cancelled the marine dense fog advisory earlier based on latest
observations. Will need to monitor fog later on with the approach
of the warm front as high dew point air advects northward over the
middle 50s water.

East winds increase this afternoon, even across non ocean waters.
Seas build as a result. A few gusts to 25 kt are possible across
Long Island Sound late for a brief time.

SCA conditions expected over the ocean waters through Thursday
with winds and seas remaining above SCA criteria as a frontal
system impacts the area today and high pressure builds in on

SCA conditions for sea and wind gusts likely on the ocean waters
midweek through Saturday in a tight gradient between Canadian
Maritimes low and Central/Southern US high. On the nearshore waters,
marginal sca gusts possible during this period...particularly on LI
sound with ideal wsw fetch.

With high pressure modeled to build towards the area Sat NIght into
Sun...a return to sub-sca conditions would be expected.


Another 0.75-1.5 inches of QPF expected this afternoon into
tonight, with localized 2+ inch swaths with any training heavy
showers/convection. The main threat is urban and poor drainage
flooding, with a low prob of flash flash flooding with any
training convection. In addition, quick responding streams, such
as the Rahway at Springfield and the Hohokus Brook, could approach
or just barely exceed bank full. The overall flood potential is
not widespread enough to warrant a flood watch.

No significant precipitation expected Midweek through Sunday.
Potential for significant precip returns Sunday night into
Monday...but low predictability at this point.


MARINE...Small Craft Advisory until 6 PM EST Thursday for ANZ350-353-


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