Area Forecast Discussion
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FXUS66 KLOX 132130

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Los Angeles/Oxnard CA
130 PM PST Wed Dec 13 2017

A high and gusty offshore winds will persist through Friday for dry
and smokey conditions with above normal temperatures. The onshore
flow will bring a slight cooling on Saturday. Then gusty offshore
flow will return early next week for a warming trend. A low may
arrive on Thursday.



A little lull in the winds today as we await the next burst of
offshore flow Thu into early Fri. A trough is currently dropping
south through the Rockies and is expected to be centered around
the 4 corners region Thu morning. This will provide enough upper
support to generate widespread advisory level Santa Ana winds
across the usual favored areas of LA/Ventura counties. 18z NAM
was a little stronger with the winds aloft and could possibly even
push winds locally into the warning levels in the LA mtns Thu
morning and early afternoon. Some of this northeast wind will
impact the Thomas fire but will be much weaker in those areas,
especially extreme eastern Ventura county and SB county. Winds
expected to subside late afternoon and evening Thu and be below
advisory levels Fri, though still offshore with some gusts to
around 30 mph.

With the cold air advection from the trough in the Great Basin we
should see more cooling aloft than the low level subsidence can
offset so expecting temps to drop a few degrees Thu, then some
recovery Fri, mainly inland, as the cold air shifts east and
gradients weaken and trend onshore.

Saturday`s forecast is complicated by poor model consistency and
thus confidence is pretty low going into the weekend. There is the
potential for a rapid increase in northerly winds Saturday as
another trough moves through the western portion of the US, but
models are struggling with the exact location and this has huge
ramifications on the resulting winds. The GFS and NAM would
certainly support a ramp up of northerly winds Sat, including the
SB area, while the ECMWF is much weaker as it takes the trough
much further east. Favoring some blend of the GFS/NAM solution at
this point as the ECMWF is more of an outlier.

Smoke plume as shifted more to the south and east today as the
winds aloft backed around to the north. However, expecting the
smoke to shift back to the west and north Thursday as the Santa
Ana kicks in, so look for increasing smoke again for the western
and northern parts of SB county by Thu afternoon and evening.


Low confidence with the temps/wind forecast for Sunday as well for
the same reasons, however if something like the GFS/NAM solution
is correct then Sunday should be a solid advisory level Santa Ana
wind day as gradients and upper support shift to the northeast.
This means less wind in the SB area but increasing winds in
LA/Ventura counties. Then dropping off early next week as the
upper low moves into New Mexico and Texas and a weak upper level
ridge redevelops over CA. Could be some very cold overnight lows
in wind protected locations Sunday and Monday. Winds probably
dropping below advisory levels by Monday with no significant winds
expected through the middle of the week. Highs will be warming
back up into the upper 70s to lower 80s by Tuesday and Wednesday.



At 1713Z, there was a surface based inversion at KLAX. The top of
the inversion was at 2500 feet with a temperature of 22C.

VFR conditions are expected throughout the period, except for
local MVFR conditions in smoke at some coastal and valley
terminals south of Point Conception through this morning.

KLAX...Moderate to high confidence in the 18Z TAF with VFR
conditions expected through the period. There is a 20-30% chance
of MVFR vsbys in smoke. Any east winds should remain less than 7

KBUR...High confidence in the 18Z TAF with VFR conditions
expected through the period.


.MARINE...13/200 PM.

Across the inner Waters south of Point Conception, SCA winds will
not occur until possibly Thursday morning, when there is a 60%
chance of SCA level NE wind gusts from Ventura to Santa Monica,
and from S of Palos Verdes Peninsula across the San Pedro Channel
in the morning into the early afternoon hours. Another offshore
wind event capable of causing SCA wind speeds is possible Sunday
morning. The confidence level is low due to run to run model

Across the inner waters north of Point Sal, moderate confidence
that winds and seas will remain below SCA levels through Sun.

Across the outer waters, moderate confidence in the forecast.
There is a 40% chance of SCA winds across the northern two thirds
of the outer waters this afternoon into early tonight. SCA
conditions are possible across the entire outer waters Sat,
possibly starting Fri night.

There will be areas of smoke from the Thomas fire over portions
of the Coastal Waters, mainly from the waters west of Ventura
County through the Santa Barbara Channel and over the outer
waters. Local visibilities could possibly drop to near
to 2 nautical mile or lower at times today.


.FIRE WEATHER...13/130 PM.

Red Flag Warnings in effect for much of Los Angeles and Ventura
counties through 10 am Friday.

The extended period of offshore flow will continue into
Friday...focused over Los Angeles and Ventura Counties. Light
offshore winds and single digit humidities will continue across
interior portions of Los Angeles and Ventura counties through
tonight. A more pronounced sea breeze pattern will overspread
coastal and valley areas of Ventura county this afternoon and
evening increasing the likelihood of greater smoke coverage
across central and eastern portions of Ventura county.

Strengthening offshore winds are expected Thursday into Thursday
night, when gusts between 35 and 55 mph can be expected. The LAX-
Daggett gradient expected to peak in the -6 to -6.5 mb range on
Thursday coupled with increasing upper level wind support and some
cold air advection. The humidities will remain incredibly dry
with extremely poor overnight recoveries nearly everywhere. This
will result in continued critical fire weather conditions into
Friday morning, especially Thursday into Thursday night when the
winds peak.

Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo Counties will continue to see
periods of north to east winds (gusts of 15 to 30 mph) through
the week, including areas near the Thomas Fire...resulting in
elevated to near critical fire weather conditions. In addition,
the air mass will be fairly unstable above the Thomas Fire
this afternoon, resulting in a greater risk for large fire plumes
which will locally enhance winds near the fire and cause erratic
fire behavior.

Conditions will change Friday afternoon into Friday night, with
the flow becoming more west to northwest. By late Friday night
into Saturday, there is the potential for gusty north winds with
continued low humidities across Santa Barbara county (including
the Thomas Fire area) and the I-5 corridor. There is still
considerable uncertainty in these northerly winds and the
associated low humidities for Saturday. For Ventura and Los
Angeles counties, the flow may begin to shift to the northeast
again during the day Saturday, with a greater threat of increased
Santa Ana winds again on Sunday when gusts between 35 and 50 mph
will be possible.

If fire ignition occurs, very rapid spread, long range spotting,
extreme fire behavior is likely especially Thursday into Thursday
night. Those near current wildfires need to stay aware of and
follow official evacuation orders. Everyone needs to exercise
extreme caution when handling any potential fire ignition
sources...such as campfires, cigarettes, welding and brush
clearing equipment.


CA...Wind Advisory in effect from 6 AM to 3 PM PST Thursday for
      zones 40-41. (See LAXNPWLOX).
     Wind Advisory in effect from 6 AM to 9 PM PST Thursday for
      zones 44>46-53-54-88-547. (See LAXNPWLOX).
     Red Flag Warning in effect from 6 AM Thursday to 10 AM PST
      Friday for zones 240-241. (See LAXRFWLOX).
     Red Flag Warning in effect until 10 AM PST Friday for zones
      244>246-253-254-288. (See LAXRFWLOX).
     Red Flag Warning in effect from 4 AM Thursday to 10 AM PST
      Friday for zone 547. (See LAXRFWLOX).


Critical fire weather conditions possible Saturday and Sunday with
gusty north to northeast winds and very low humidities.



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