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FXUS63 KDTX 230716

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Detroit/Pontiac MI
316 AM EDT Mon Oct 23 2017


Very moist airmass for late October standards has entered lower
Michigan, as the 00z APX sounding indicated an 850 mb dew pt of 12
C, with 4 C at 700 MB, both record values for this date, per SPC
sounding climatology page. The issue is frontal boundary/moisture
axis has pretty much exhausted its eastward progress, as upper level
energy/trough tracking through the Northern Plains is backing the
flow over the Western Great Lakes this morning.

Meanwhile, strong southern upper wave over the central Mississippi
River Valley now tracking off to the northeast, as the upper level
PV linkage is underway. Merging of 500 mb height falls occuring over
the Central Great Lakes late today into Tonight, with greatest max 6
HR fall center looking to track through Lake Huron late tonight.
Cyclogensis/rapid deepening of the surface low will occur as it
arches northwest toward the Straights-Beaver Island late tonight. 12z
Euro ensembles were still indicating close to a 8 MB spread at 12z
Tuesday in that region. However, the 00z NAM/regional GEM have come
in pretty good agreement with the operational 00z Euro, deepening the
low toward 980 MB. With the 850 MB low/circulation tracking west of
southeast Michigan, heavy rain axis will be situated over western
Lower Michigan (supported by latest HRRR and RAP) as the impressive
negative tilted trough/trowel lifts north within the high
end/moisture rich environment. The progressive nature of the system
lifting north should help keep rainfall amounts in check on this side
of the state as well, as main window for heavy rain will be late
today through this evening. With just about everybody in southeast
Michigan expected to see total rainfall amounts under 2 inches, and
probably even at or below 1 inch, just minor flooding/standing water
concerns. The exception looks to be northern Bay/Midland counties,
where 2-3 inches still looks possible. However, with 6 hr flood
guidance in the Tri-Cities region near 3 inches, probably only
looking at low end flooding if anything. None-the-less, will issue
flood watch in case amounts reach and exceed 3 inches.

Active lake enhanced showers Tuesday-Wednesday across the
region as the large scale upper level trough/circulation remains in
place, with good low level cyclonic flow and 850 MB temps dropping
below zero. Lake Michigan water temperatures still mostly at or above
60 degrees. Steep low level lapse rates and marginally unstable
environment during Tuesday, as showalter index drops to around zero.
Mid levels are dry, but lapse rates are very steep, 7.5 C/KM from
700-500 MB. Graupel is possible with low freezing levels, with an
isolated thunderstorm not totally out of the question as well. One
more shot of cold air to arrive for Wednesday as jet streak/upper
wave slides southeast through the Central Great Lakes, with 850 mb
temps falling to -3 C. Westerly flow off Lake Michigan should be
sufficient for continued shower activity, with graupel likely.

Short lived upper level ridge to build in for Thursday, as another
large upper level trough/low encompasses the Great Lakes Region over
the Weekend, and not out of the question to see first few snowflakes
in the air if the -6 C at 850 MB (per EURO and GFS) materializes.



Model trends have come into better agreement on the track and
strengthening of low pressure forecast to lift into Lower Michigan
later today. The surface low is now expected to rapidly deepening as
it lifts across Lower Mi tonight and into the straits region by
early Tuesday morning. The result will be an increase in the winds
on Lake Huron to gale force tonight. The surface low is forecast to
weaken over the region on Tuesday. However, an influx of cold air
wrapping around the low will increase the instability over the lakes
and support continued gale force winds through the day Tuesday.
Probabilities of wind gusts to 35 knot gales on Lake Huron are now
high, while probabilities of high end gales to 45 knots over the open
waters of Lake Huron have increased to roughly 30 percent. Winds and
waves will undergo a gradual weakening Tuesday night into Wednesday
with further weakening of the low pressure system.



Model solutions have had a noted trend toward farther north and west
with the axis of heaviest rainfall today and tonight. In fact, the
highest rainfall totals are now expected to fall northwest of the
Saginaw Valley, with most of Southeast Michigan likely seeing total
QPF of an inch or less. Rainfall amounts in excess of an inch are
still possible in Midland and Bay Counties. There will be some
concern for river levels on the Tittabawassee River in Midland
County as some of the highest rainfall amounts are now forecast
across its headwaters in central Michigan.


Issued at 1251 AM EDT Mon Oct 23 2017


A cold front is slowly approaching the Saginaw Valley early this
morning. The forward progress will stall around MBS around daybreak
and will linger until a deepening low pressure moves north across
Southern Lower Michigan Monday evening. Winds will back to the
southeast as this low approaches and increase in speed after sunset.
As the low approaches, deeper moisture will wash across the region.
Lower clouds will emerge through the morning hours across the north
and midday across the south. Scattered showers are possible during
the morning at MBS and FNT, while the Detroit terminals should
remain dry. Widespread rainfall and low ceilings (IFR for the most
part) should break out in the mid afternoon hours and continue into
the evening. The cold front will begin to clear the terminal sites
after midnight Monday night.

For DTW...scattered clouds at or below 5kft will wash in after
midnight. Lower ceilings are expected to develop during the midday
hours and lower quickly during the mid to late afternoon as rain
breaks out across the area. A quick period of moderate
southeasterlies are possible after sunset.


* Low for cig aob 5kft prior to 14z. High after 17z.
* Low for thunderstorms.


MI...Flood Watch from this afternoon through Tuesday morning for MIZ047-

Lake Huron...Gale Warning from 8 PM this evening to 8 AM EDT Wednesday for

     Gale Warning from 8 PM this evening to 8 PM EDT Tuesday for

     Gale Warning from 1 AM to 4 PM EDT Tuesday for LHZ361.

     Gale Warning from 2 AM to 10 PM EDT Tuesday for LHZ421-422.

Lake St Clair...Small Craft Advisory from 6 PM this evening to 4 PM EDT Wednesday
     for LCZ460.

Michigan waters of Lake Erie...Small Craft Advisory from 4 PM this afternoon to 4 PM EDT Wednesday
     for LEZ444.




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