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Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Twin Cities/Chanhassen MN
327 AM CST Sat Dec 10 2016

.SHORT TERM...(Today through Sunday)
Issued at 327 AM CST Sat Dec 10 2016

Main concern through Sunday is the long duration light to moderate
snowfall we are expecting to begin this afternoon and last through
Sunday. For changes with this forecast, the highest totals were
dropped some along I-90, from close to 10 down to around 8 inches
and the around 6 inch amounts were nudged a bit farther north as
well. The slight drop in totals in the south has increased
confidence in keeping this just an advisory, while the slightly
higher snow totals to the north led us to tack on a couple of rows
of counties to the advisory to have it now run up into the Twin
Cities and Chippewa Falls/Eau Claire.

The upcoming snow event still looks to come in two parts. The first
will be this afternoon and evening and will be primarily associated
with isentropic lift around the 300k surface. This band will
primarily be focused across the southwest and south central MN.
Mixing ratios on the 300k surface are only 2-3 g/kg, so we are not
looking at an overly moist environment and the Garcia snowfall
method would come out to 4-6" in 12 hours. Round two will come late
tonight through Sunday morning and this will be primarily driven by
height falls and DPVA associated with the short wave currently along
coastal Washington/British Columbia. This will help lift this
afternoons isentropic band up into the Twin Cities and western WI.
It`s this slight northern shift in the second round of forcing that
pushed the snow totals up from the Twin Cities over to Eau Claire
and dropped the event total snow down some along I-90.

For timing, based PoPs on a blend of the short term models, which
are in pretty good agreement through this afternoon. Initial ridge
of high pressure that will be setup from NW MN toward Chicago this
morning will slow the spread of snow into central MN and western WI,
so did slow how quickly snow pushes into these areas this afternoon
by several hours. Also continued categorical PoPs through Sunday
morning across most of the area, with PoPs quickly decreasing Sunday
afternoon from west to east as we get into the back side of the
short wave.

One concern for current snowfall forecast is that our snow ratios
may be a bit high. Though temperature and thicknesses are cold
enough and would support the 15-20:1 ratios we currently have
(Kuchera/Cobb ratios very similar here), a look at forecast
soundings indicate we may be dealing with much finer needle/dendrite
type crystals as the DGZ won`t be overly deep and will be located up
around 12k-15k feet, which may end up pushing ratios back down
closer to climatology (13:1). This is another reason for not going
with a warning in south central MN in addition to the previous
forecasts reasoning of no warning due to long duration and limited

Rounding things out with temperatures, with the ridge axis moving
into the area and patches of clear skies, we are easily seeing our
coolest morning of the season to date. MSP has fallen into the
single digits for the first time this winter, with some lows near
-10F out in west central MN. However, with snow and cloud cover
moving in tonight, we will likely see temperatures continue to rise
right through tonight into Sunday afternoon. Incidentally, Sunday
looks to be our warmest day of the week with highs making their
closest ascent toward normal until likely the work week leading up
to Christmas.

.LONG TERM...(Sunday Night through Friday)
Issued at 327 AM CST Sat Dec 10 2016

In the longer term, #COLD pretty much says it all. The medium
range guidance is in fairly good agreement through the forecast
period, although solutions do start to diverge a bit by the end of
the week. Any lingering snowfall will be exiting our area Sunday
evening, with a weak ridge of high pressure initially building in
through the first part of Monday. The Arctic front will surge
through the area Monday afternoon and evening, with temperatures
turning sharply colder. We`ll likely see a bit of snow with the
frontal passage, along with a brief period of gusty northwest
winds given a good pressure rise/fall couplet. Cold advection will
then persist over the area into Tuesday, with a secondary push of
Arctic air Tuesday evening. The Arctic high will slowly slide
southeastward through Thursday, and we will see below zero lows
and single digit highs at best for a few days. By Friday, things
become somewhat more interesting weather-wise, although there is a
fair bit of disagreement between the GFS and ECMWF at that point.
Both take a surface low from the southern plains northeastward
toward the lower Great Lakes from late Thursday through Saturday,
but the GFS is markedly slower and would bring more in the way of
snowfall to the southern portion of the area. However, the ECMWF
manages to push an inverted trough north into the area on Friday,
which would give some snow to a larger portion of the area. In any
event, it`s too soon to have much faith in the details of either
solution, and will simply include chance PoPs from Friday into


.AVIATION...(For the 06Z TAFS through 06Z Saturday night)
Issued at 1048 PM CST Fri Dec 9 2016

Most of the TAF sites are right along the edge of a stratus cloud
deck, so ceilings have been bouncing from VFR to MVFR given the
base of the clouds are 2000-2500ft in general. The trick is that
the wind direction is such that it will keep moving these clouds
in such a manner that the edge will hang near
KAXN/KSTC/KMSP/KRNH/KEAU. So, sort of a low confidence ceiling
forecast for the night. There has also been light snow falling
from these clouds at times.


Wish we had a higher confidence cloud forecast at the airport.
KMSP is right along the edge of the cloud cover and the clearing
earlier this evening has slowed, so the airport may end up with a
prolonged period of MVFR with snow flurries at times.

Sun...IFR/MVFR with SN. E wind 5-10 kts.
Mon...MVFR/VFR. W wind 5-10 kts. Bcmg NW 15G25 overnight.
Tue...VFR. W wind 10-15 kts.


WI...Winter Weather Advisory from 6 PM this evening to 9 PM CST
     Sunday for WIZ023>026.

     Winter Weather Advisory from 9 PM this evening to 9 PM CST
     Sunday for WIZ027-028.

MN...Winter Weather Advisory from 3 PM this afternoon to 6 PM CST
     Sunday for MNZ060-062-068>070-077-078-085.

     Winter Weather Advisory from 6 PM this evening to 6 PM CST
     Sunday for MNZ063.

     Winter Weather Advisory from noon today to noon CST Sunday for

     Winter Weather Advisory from 3 PM this afternoon to noon CST
     Sunday for MNZ066.

     Winter Weather Advisory from 9 AM this morning to noon CST
     Sunday for MNZ064-073-074-082-091.

     Winter Weather Advisory from noon today to 6 PM CST Sunday for



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