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FXUS61 KBUF 091153

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Buffalo NY
653 AM EST Fri Dec 9 2016

Cold air will continue to flow southeastward across the Great Lakes
region today, bringing lake effect snow mainly off Lake Erie
today, with scattered activity off Lake Ontario. A more pronounced
band of snow is expected to form tonight as upstream lakes bring
additional moisture across the eastern Great Lakes, with a band of
lake effect snow across southwest New York State, and another
band south of Lake Ontario across eastern Orleans to western
Oswego Counties. An area of low pressure will then move through
the Great Lakes region Sunday and Monday, producing a general
snow, possibly mixed with a little rain or sleet for much of the


No changes to the headlines with this morning`s update.

Water Vapor imagery this early morning displays an upper level low
spiraling over Labrador Canada, while surface observations display
an area of low pressure near the Gulf of Saint Lawrence. A surface
trough from this surface low continues to drop southward across
Western New York this early morning.

Regional radars display light lake effect snow south of Lake
Ontario, and especially near Orleans/Monroe Cos. where an upstream
connection to Georgian Bay is occuring. A few light flurries or
light snow showers are flying across the North Country. A still
westerly flow over Lake Erie is maintaining light lake effect snow
across the Southern Tier. An upstream connection to Lake Huron is
occurring, with the band of snow orienting from near Fredonia to
Olean at this 630 am hour.

For today winds will veer every so slightly over Lake Ontario, with
several bands of lake effect snow falling south and southeast of
Lake Ontario. This flow will bring minor accumulations today across
the Genesee Valley and northern Finger Lakes region, with greatest
amounts of 2 to 4 inches within a localized Georgian Bay connection.

Off Lake Erie, there will likely be an upstream connection to Lake
Huron, such that even the veering winds off Lake Erie will still
maintain some structure to a band of snow, with the snow inching
westward through the day. There may be a time this early afternoon
that the lake effect snow almost leaves the state, falling over NW
PA before winds begin to back in response to a surface high pressure
bulging across the Midwest and Tennessee Valley that will bring the
lake effect snow back across Chautauqua County this afternoon and
evening. Snowfall totals today will near an additional half a foot
over the western part of the County, with much less over eastern
parts of the county, and Cattaraugus. High temperatures today
will likely remain below freezing for much of the region, with
highs in the mid to upper 20s.

Tonight additional moisture will surge across the Eastern Great
Lakes, and winds will continue to back, with more of a 290 to 300
flow. This flow, combined with increase moisture within the snow
dentritic snow growth zones will likely bring a band of snow to the
Southeast of both lakes.

For Lake Erie, this will be across the Southern Tier, and across
southern portions of Erie and Wyoming Counties. Winds will be weaker
tonight and we do not expect as far an inland extent to the lake
snows, with Allegany Country likely to have just an inch or two,
while closer to the Lake Erie shoreline additional 3 to 5 inches of
snow will be possible. The band will be narrow and moving, thus
high snowfall totals will not be likely tonight.

For Lake Ontario tonight the northwest flow may tap into a Georgian
Bay connection. While the flow is northwest, it is light, and any
fluctuation will disturb this upstream connection. There is still
potential for a narrow band of snow to fall along the southern
shoreline of Lake Ontario. Some of the higher resolution models,
such as the NAMX are most bullish on this band of snow forming, and
with the added moisture tonight, and favorable wind direction for a
Georgian Bay connection it seems plausible that a narrow band of
snow may bring at times heavy snow south of Lake Ontario, with
highest totals of a half a foot or so across the warned areas of
Wayne to far western Oswego County. Lesser amounts of snow will be
possible across Orleans, and Monroe for which the later will have
a continued lake effect snow advisory.

Towards the later part of tonight winds will begin to diminish
further such that heavier portions of the lake effect snow will
begin to contract back towards the lakes.

The North Country will likely remain dry through this period under
the northwest flow. There may even be a bit of clearing tonight
across inland Jefferson and Lewis Counties. If this were to occur,
overnight lows here may drop well into the lower teens, with
possible upper single digits across the colder spots. South of Lake
Ontario where clouds will be common, overnight lows tonight will be
in the 20s.


The ingredients for lake effect snow will remain in place on
Saturday with more than ample lake induced instability (850mb temps
about -14C) and lake equilibrium levels between 10k-15k feet. The
main forecast challenge will be winds, since the flow will be a
rather light one, especially across Lake Ontario. Model consensus
brings a weak shortwave across the region during the day, which will
enhance moisture and snowfall rates with its passage. 00Z guidance
now maintains a westerly flow off Lake Erie several hours longer,
lasting through the day. This will maintain lake effect snow across
the Western Southern Tier longer, prompting the Lake Effect Snow
Warning to be extended through the day for Chautauqua and
Cattaraugus counties. This also will keep lake effect snow south of
the Buffalo metro area during the daytime on Saturday.

Off Lake Ontario, the flow will be much lighter, with mesoscale
guidance suggesting a meso-low may stall across Lake Ontario. If
this does drift southeast into the Eastern Lake Ontario region then
it may require advisories with several inches of snow possible. For
now, there is not enough forecast confidence to issue headlines for
this feature yet.

By Saturday night, the flow should to back to more southerly which
would lift the Lake Erie snow band across the Buffalo metro area
Saturday evening. The band will be moving quickly so it will
probably be sub-advisory with only an inch or two accumulation.
Similarly, the more southerly flow will push lake snows north of
Lake Ontario by late Saturday night.

Sunday and Sunday night, a synoptic system will approach the region,
bringing widespread precipitation to all areas. The surface low will
still be across the midwestern states on Sunday however diffuse mid-
level warm air advection will extend northeast of the system and
spread into Western New York during the day. This will strengthen
Sunday night, with the region also in a favorable jet-quadrant for
enhanced lift. Model consensus is in good agreement, supporting
categorical pops by Sunday night and into Monday.

Snowfall rates should be modest with this system, with storm totals
much less impressive than the ongoing lake effect event.  However
because it is synoptic all areas should get at least some snow, and
totals may reach advisory amounts with several inches of snow in
many areas. Guidance still disagrees on the track of the low. Most
guidance brings a weak surface low across or just north of the area
which would likely result in some mixed precipiation late Sunday
night or Monday south of I-90. This would hold amounts down some in
these areas, but still could hinder travel.


There continues to be a high likelihood of wintry weather persisting
into next week as a much colder arctic sourced airmass is forecast
to dive south towards the Great Lakes region. This arctic air may
bring the coldest temperatures that we have seen this season by mid
to late next week.

The 08/12z GFS and EC continue to show potential for a closed
surface low tracking across the eastern Great Lakes Monday but
remain in some disagreement with regards to the strength of this
low. These models have flip-flopped when compared to 07/12z runs
with the GFS now the deeper low near 992mb tracking just to the
northwest of Buffalo while the EC is weaker than yesterday only
showing a 1007mb low tracking along the NY/PA state line. Have
included likely POPs for Monday as both models do show sufficient
lift and moisture but the strength of the winds will end up coming
down to the exact depth of the low. The deeper GFS scenario would
bring a much stronger wind field with potential for very gusty winds.

This storm will lead in a deep sub-500dm closed low shifting south
out of the Arctic to somewhere between the Great Lakes and James Bay
by mid next week. The models are showing separation in the placement
of this mid level low which has origins from near the pole. This
disagreement is keeping a lower confidence in exactly how cold of an
airmass reaches western and central NY mid to late week. The GFS is
showing 850mb temps in the -20s C reaching our forecast area while
the EC only shows negative teens C. While both airmasses could
support lake effect snows if enough background moisture is
available, the colder airmass would lead to steeper lapse rates and
more intense snow bands. Have continued medium chance POPs for lake
snows east of the lakes Tuesday into Thursday. Aside from the
potential for more lake snows, we are looking at a very cold period
for much of next week. Cold cyclonic flow may contribute to the
coldest temps we have seen this season which could mean highs only
in the teens to mid 20s by Wednesday and Thursday.


For the 12Z TAFs bands of lake effect snow continue with poor flight
conditions. Off Lake Erie the band of snow will likely linger the
longest over KJHW where a northwest flow will maintain IFR or lower
flight conditions into the late morning hours. Off Lake Ontario, a
southward push to the lake snows will bring a period of IFR flight
conditions to KROC early in the TAF period before activity weakens
and thins through the dawn hours, and thereafter.

Today winds will become northerly, possibly bringing the LES to the
west of KJHW, while weak multi banded snow bands will be possible
south of Lake Ontario, including the KROC airfield, and possibly
KIAG. There may be a narrow heavier band of lake effect snow off
Lake Ontario, with an upstream connection to Georgian Bay. While
placing this band will become increasingly may bring
IFR flight conditions to near KROC mid-morning.

This evening winds will begin to back some as surface high pressure
creeps closer to the region from the Central Plains. It will
continue to remain cold enough, and moist enough for lake effect
snow with upstream connections to lake Huron and Georgian Bay
bringing narrow bands of moderate to heavy snow towards KJHW and
KROC through Friday night. Certainty this far out will be medium at
best as the wind fields remain light, and any minor fluctuation in
wind direction will change the course of both upstream and over the
nearby lake snowbands.


Saturday...IFR in lake effect snow southeast of the lakes.
Occasional snow showers with more brief IFR elsewhere.
Sunday and Monday...MVFR/IFR in widespread light snow.
Tuesday...MVFR with a chance of snow showers.


Small craft advisories will remain in place across the Eastern Great
Lakes today and tonight. Winds near 30 knots early will diminish
through the day today as surface low across eastern Canada pushes
farther eastward over the Atlantic waters. Winds will again increase
Saturday, and will likely continue SCA on Lake Erie through the
night of Saturday.


NY...Lake Effect Snow Warning until 6 AM EST Saturday for
     Lake Effect Snow Advisory until 6 AM EST Saturday for NYZ003.
     Lake Effect Snow Warning until 6 PM EST Saturday for NYZ019-
     Lake Effect Snow Advisory until 10 AM EST this morning for
MARINE...Small Craft Advisory until 4 AM EST Sunday for LEZ040-041.
         Small Craft Advisory until 7 AM EST Saturday for



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